it was just very curious to me, is that the name of the actress or her name, becasue if it's her name, then how is her last name not Beckett?
Sammy Jo Fuller?
- Thread starter Sam Beckett Fan
- Start date
Her name is not Beckett because she was conceived during a leap, and Sam was neither Sam, nor married to the mother - Abigail Fuller, hence the episode title - Daughter of Sin.
huh, well then how is she his daughter, and who is Abigale fuller. i am way beyond confused now? i thought he was married to donna, and had a kid with her?
D
Dman176
Guest
Well, if you haven't seen the fifth season, then you wouldn't know who we're talking about. There was a 3-part episode that aired during November Sweeps simply called "Trilogy" that centered around the life of a cursed woman named Abigail Fuller.
SPOILERS AHEAD... if you want to remain surprised when you watch Season 5, then don't read any further...
In Part I ("One Little Heart"), Sam leaped into her father, Clayton Fuller, who was the sheriff in Pottersville, Louisiana in 1955. At that point in time, Abigail was nine years old (played by Kimberly Cullum). A woman named Leta Aider had lost her daughter, Violet, about two years earlier and was convinced that Abigail was somehow responsible for her disappearance (the body was never found). When Sam leaps in, he's standing over the dead body of Leta's husband, Bart, and Leta begins tormenting the Fuller family once again, trying to convince the townsfolk that Abigail is an evil child. Abigail was supposed to die in a fire (which Leta sets), but Sam saved her at the expense of Clayton's life (he became consumed in flames just as he leaped out).
The following week was a 2-hour episode. In the first hour, Part II ("For Your Love"), Sam leaped into her fianc?, Will Kinman, in 1966, while they were in the middle of a rather, um... intimate situation. She was now twenty years old and drop-dead gorgeous (and played by Melora Hardin), and Sam's hormones went into overdrive. During the leap, he gave in to temptation and slept with her one night. Later that night, Leta leads a lynch mob to her home to hang Abigail after a local boy goes missing (Abigail was the last person to see the boy before he disappeared). Sam saves her again, and the boy is eventually found alive and well.
In the second hour, Part III ("The Last Door"), Sam leaped one last time into a lawyer named Larry Stanton in 1978. This time, he had to defend a thirty-two-year-old Abigail (once again played by Melora Hardin) who was on trial for the murder of Leta Aider (she was found dead in Abigail's kitchen). She informs him that she and Will Kinman ended up never getting married. When he arrives at the Fuller household, he sees an eleven-year-old girl named Samantha Josephine Fuller (played by Kimberly Cullum again). Al tells Sam that there is a 91% chance that Sammy Jo is his biological daughter; she has an IQ of 192, her favorite book is Brigadoon (as is Sam's), she has a photographic memory (just like Sam), and she dreams about traveling back in time to meet her "daddy." In the original history, Abigail is found guilty and dies in the electric chair, which traumatizes Sammy Jo and she never fully recovers. Once Sam changes history and proves her innocence, Al reveals that Sammy Jo is working at Project Quantum Leap and even has a theory on how to bring him home; however, she has no knowledge that Sam is her real father. Because she carries Sam's genes, the family curse is broken and she and her mother now lead productive and happy lives.
As for Donna, it was never revealed if she and Sam ever had a child on the TV show. Some people speculate that they might have, but it was never "canon." However, in The Virtual Seasons, Sam leaped into himself in 1995 (one day before he first leaped) and ended up conceiving a son named Stephen with Donna. That son is now about ten years old in TVS continuity and his genius brain has led to some rather interesting developments at Project Quantum Leap.
Hope that info helps you to make sense of things somewhat.
Damon
SPOILERS AHEAD... if you want to remain surprised when you watch Season 5, then don't read any further...
In Part I ("One Little Heart"), Sam leaped into her father, Clayton Fuller, who was the sheriff in Pottersville, Louisiana in 1955. At that point in time, Abigail was nine years old (played by Kimberly Cullum). A woman named Leta Aider had lost her daughter, Violet, about two years earlier and was convinced that Abigail was somehow responsible for her disappearance (the body was never found). When Sam leaps in, he's standing over the dead body of Leta's husband, Bart, and Leta begins tormenting the Fuller family once again, trying to convince the townsfolk that Abigail is an evil child. Abigail was supposed to die in a fire (which Leta sets), but Sam saved her at the expense of Clayton's life (he became consumed in flames just as he leaped out).
The following week was a 2-hour episode. In the first hour, Part II ("For Your Love"), Sam leaped into her fianc?, Will Kinman, in 1966, while they were in the middle of a rather, um... intimate situation. She was now twenty years old and drop-dead gorgeous (and played by Melora Hardin), and Sam's hormones went into overdrive. During the leap, he gave in to temptation and slept with her one night. Later that night, Leta leads a lynch mob to her home to hang Abigail after a local boy goes missing (Abigail was the last person to see the boy before he disappeared). Sam saves her again, and the boy is eventually found alive and well.
In the second hour, Part III ("The Last Door"), Sam leaped one last time into a lawyer named Larry Stanton in 1978. This time, he had to defend a thirty-two-year-old Abigail (once again played by Melora Hardin) who was on trial for the murder of Leta Aider (she was found dead in Abigail's kitchen). She informs him that she and Will Kinman ended up never getting married. When he arrives at the Fuller household, he sees an eleven-year-old girl named Samantha Josephine Fuller (played by Kimberly Cullum again). Al tells Sam that there is a 91% chance that Sammy Jo is his biological daughter; she has an IQ of 192, her favorite book is Brigadoon (as is Sam's), she has a photographic memory (just like Sam), and she dreams about traveling back in time to meet her "daddy." In the original history, Abigail is found guilty and dies in the electric chair, which traumatizes Sammy Jo and she never fully recovers. Once Sam changes history and proves her innocence, Al reveals that Sammy Jo is working at Project Quantum Leap and even has a theory on how to bring him home; however, she has no knowledge that Sam is her real father. Because she carries Sam's genes, the family curse is broken and she and her mother now lead productive and happy lives.
As for Donna, it was never revealed if she and Sam ever had a child on the TV show. Some people speculate that they might have, but it was never "canon." However, in The Virtual Seasons, Sam leaped into himself in 1995 (one day before he first leaped) and ended up conceiving a son named Stephen with Donna. That son is now about ten years old in TVS continuity and his genius brain has led to some rather interesting developments at Project Quantum Leap.
Hope that info helps you to make sense of things somewhat.
Damon
so, she's not really SAM'S daughter, she's the daughter of abby's feeonce(sp?)? or am i still mixed up? i feel like i am still mixed up?
She is Sam's daughter...When Sam leaps, it's physically him leaping, just that he is surrounded by another person's aura...
but then how does she know he's the father, no one is suppose to know about the leaping? sorry if i am being annoying, but i believe i said in my tinorduction that i can be slow sometimes.<img border=0 src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif" />
Okay... let me see if I can explain.
In the show - on the air - Samantha Josephine Fuller does not know that she is Sam Beckett's daughter. At the end of the Trilogy -- Al tells all that Sammy Jo is now at Quantum Leap and is working on a theory to bring him home.
No where in Quantum Leap canon does it say that Sammy Jo KNOWS that he's her father.
It is in the writing of Quantum Leap: The Virtual Seasons in the first episode called: "Double The Leap, Double The Danger" (Episode 601) that Sammy Jo actually finds out that Sam is her father.
Al tells her in that written episode by AJ Burfield and myself that she is his daughter. She is totally surprised that Sam is her father... since she thought that her father was Will Kinman. She just believes.
That's the thing... you have to READ the story.
It can be found here:Double The Leap, Double The Danger
If there is anything else that I can help you sort through, SamBeckettfann, they by all means, please email me and I'll try to explain better. mjcogburn@hotmail.com
MJ
In the show - on the air - Samantha Josephine Fuller does not know that she is Sam Beckett's daughter. At the end of the Trilogy -- Al tells all that Sammy Jo is now at Quantum Leap and is working on a theory to bring him home.
No where in Quantum Leap canon does it say that Sammy Jo KNOWS that he's her father.
It is in the writing of Quantum Leap: The Virtual Seasons in the first episode called: "Double The Leap, Double The Danger" (Episode 601) that Sammy Jo actually finds out that Sam is her father.
Al tells her in that written episode by AJ Burfield and myself that she is his daughter. She is totally surprised that Sam is her father... since she thought that her father was Will Kinman. She just believes.
That's the thing... you have to READ the story.
It can be found here:Double The Leap, Double The Danger
If there is anything else that I can help you sort through, SamBeckettfann, they by all means, please email me and I'll try to explain better. mjcogburn@hotmail.com
MJ
oh, ok. man, i never pictured it that way, no offense but that sux, IMO. man, now i am ganna have to email my best friend all this. thanks for putting up with me, sorry for the annoyance.<img border=0 src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif" />
G
Glitter Rock
Guest
It's kind of a lot to wrap your mind around unless you've seen the episodes, maybe even more then once. <img border=0 src="http://www.knightshow.com/smilies/nut.gif" /> Check the Sci Fi channel's listings for QL airing and perhaps you'll be fortunate enough to catch it before what will possibly be a mid next year release of season 5 on DVD.
oh, you mean they still rerun? really? that's awsome. thank you glitter rock, i will have to check. except i wanna see it in order, they do not show it out of order do they?<img border=0 src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif" />
G
Glitter Rock
Guest
No problem. If you look on the home page of the site, there is a link to the Sci Fi channel schedule as far as it has been released. You better be a night owl, or just set your tivo or vcr. <img border=0 src="http://www.knightshow.com/smilies/wavey.gif" />
oh hell yeah, i am defenetly a night owl, i am up till at least eleven every night, sometimes midnight, even on school nights, which this is my last one anyway so it matters not, but hehe, you get what i mean.<img border=0 src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" />
ok, i do not mean to be annoying agian, but i was just talking to my best friend on AIM about what you guys told me here regarding sammy jo fuller, and i was just curious, Sam's acual body is in the waiting room being occupied by the person he leaped into, right, duh! so then if he is not in his ACTUAL body,then how does he give his ACTUAL sperm to abigale? is he like some kinda of soul in the husbands body or something.
cause here is something my best friend just commented about: (her screename being lupinprof three)
Lupinprof3: but they say that he has his own body, but the aura of the person he IS atm makes it look like he is them
Lupinprof3: so I guess in the waiting room is really all the different people, but Sam's aura is around them
Lupinprof3: shrug. that is what they made it seem in billy jean's leap
bordercolliepup7: what is acually meant by aura?
Lupinprof3:but then it seems like sam's spirit just leaps int omany bodies, like with teh grasshopper in different skins for the indian one, and then for the trapeeze one the fortune telling lady says sam's been reincarnated a lot, which makes it seem like his soul has been IN many bodies.
update: ok now my best friend is saying that it might not be his actual BODY in the waiting room but what they see is him, but then....err, sorry my best friend is confusing me and i am confusing myself, so i will shut up before i confuse you guys as well.
so what is acuallt going on?
sorry, i know, i ask too many questions. <img border=0 src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif" />
<hr />
cause here is something my best friend just commented about: (her screename being lupinprof three)
Lupinprof3: but they say that he has his own body, but the aura of the person he IS atm makes it look like he is them
Lupinprof3: so I guess in the waiting room is really all the different people, but Sam's aura is around them
Lupinprof3: shrug. that is what they made it seem in billy jean's leap
bordercolliepup7: what is acually meant by aura?
Lupinprof3:but then it seems like sam's spirit just leaps int omany bodies, like with teh grasshopper in different skins for the indian one, and then for the trapeeze one the fortune telling lady says sam's been reincarnated a lot, which makes it seem like his soul has been IN many bodies.
update: ok now my best friend is saying that it might not be his actual BODY in the waiting room but what they see is him, but then....err, sorry my best friend is confusing me and i am confusing myself, so i will shut up before i confuse you guys as well.
so what is acuallt going on?
sorry, i know, i ask too many questions. <img border=0 src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif" />
<hr />
D
Dman176
Guest
Okay... we're getting into the "Great Debate" now... :lol
It IS kind of confusing, so bear with me. When the show first began, the distinction was not very clear as to whether it was Sam's body or soul that was leaping. (In fact, the earlier novels written by Ashley McConnell go by the soul-leaping theory, but they don't really count anyway because they're not technically canon.) Once Sam leaped into the pregnant girl in the 3rd season ("8 1/2 Months"), it was pretty much confirmed that it was Sam's body leaping and not his soul. When Sam leaps "into" someone, all he is really doing is switching places with them in time. What everyone else sees is the "aura" of the person that he has leaped into, which is basically just an illusion so that he can assume that person's identity and do what he needs to do. That is why children under the age of 5, animals, and people with mental problems can see beyond the aura, because they exist in some sort of alpha state that allows their brainwaves to perceive the "truth," rather than the illusion.
So, that's why, for example, when Sam leaped into the blind concert pianist in Season 2, he was still able to see with 20/20 vision; or why when he leaped into the paraplegic Vietnam veteran in Season 5, he still had legs. When he stood up from his wheelchair, the orderly saw the "aura" of Ronald Miller floating in mid-air from the knees up. And that's also why when Sam leaped into Billie Jean in Season 3, Al insisted that he couldn't possibly be having symptoms of pregnancy, because Sam was not physically able to deliver a baby. They were afraid that the baby would be born in the future if Billie Jean didn't leap back before she went into labor.
So, in short, when Sam leaped into Will Kinman, it was his physical body that provided the sperm for Sammy Jo Fuller's conception. But since Abigail saw him as Will Kinman, she and Sammy Jo assumed that Will Kinman obviously HAD to be the father (and so did HE).
It's likely that if the series had continued, Sammy Jo would have probably found out the truth eventually, which is probably why MJ and AJ decided to write that when they began The Virtual Seasons. It also seems obvious that she will know the truth when and if the new series gets rolling... otherwise, it wouldn't make much sense for her to be leaping around trying to find Sam.
And don't worry, you're not being annoying. We're always glad to try to explain these types of things (or direct you to a previous post, if it applies). Even if many of the old posts were still here, you'd probably have a hard time knowing exactly where to find the answers to your questions.
Damon
It IS kind of confusing, so bear with me. When the show first began, the distinction was not very clear as to whether it was Sam's body or soul that was leaping. (In fact, the earlier novels written by Ashley McConnell go by the soul-leaping theory, but they don't really count anyway because they're not technically canon.) Once Sam leaped into the pregnant girl in the 3rd season ("8 1/2 Months"), it was pretty much confirmed that it was Sam's body leaping and not his soul. When Sam leaps "into" someone, all he is really doing is switching places with them in time. What everyone else sees is the "aura" of the person that he has leaped into, which is basically just an illusion so that he can assume that person's identity and do what he needs to do. That is why children under the age of 5, animals, and people with mental problems can see beyond the aura, because they exist in some sort of alpha state that allows their brainwaves to perceive the "truth," rather than the illusion.
So, that's why, for example, when Sam leaped into the blind concert pianist in Season 2, he was still able to see with 20/20 vision; or why when he leaped into the paraplegic Vietnam veteran in Season 5, he still had legs. When he stood up from his wheelchair, the orderly saw the "aura" of Ronald Miller floating in mid-air from the knees up. And that's also why when Sam leaped into Billie Jean in Season 3, Al insisted that he couldn't possibly be having symptoms of pregnancy, because Sam was not physically able to deliver a baby. They were afraid that the baby would be born in the future if Billie Jean didn't leap back before she went into labor.
So, in short, when Sam leaped into Will Kinman, it was his physical body that provided the sperm for Sammy Jo Fuller's conception. But since Abigail saw him as Will Kinman, she and Sammy Jo assumed that Will Kinman obviously HAD to be the father (and so did HE).
It's likely that if the series had continued, Sammy Jo would have probably found out the truth eventually, which is probably why MJ and AJ decided to write that when they began The Virtual Seasons. It also seems obvious that she will know the truth when and if the new series gets rolling... otherwise, it wouldn't make much sense for her to be leaping around trying to find Sam.
And don't worry, you're not being annoying. We're always glad to try to explain these types of things (or direct you to a previous post, if it applies). Even if many of the old posts were still here, you'd probably have a hard time knowing exactly where to find the answers to your questions.
Damon
thanks dman, and wow, usually with long posts i only scan but i acually read all of that, and i get it. but do you think maybe she finds out in the second series when she has to go leap after him?
<hr />
<hr />
I'm not even gonna go into my Different Quantum States of Being concept (i.e. leapee's aura surrounding Sam etc.) from Season 11.:nut
Sorry...it's 11 seasons worth of explaining...lol...if you haven't seen the last QL episode that aired (MIrror Image), I can't begin to explain it...Suffice to say, an intriguing new character that will change Sam's "world" is introduced in the episode (or was he introduced in the pilot?...hehehe)
oh, well i am anxious to see it, i can't wait for it to come out on dvd. sorry i am the dumbfounded one here becasue i only know seasons one through three.
<hr />
<hr />
D
Dman176
Guest
Re: Mirror Image
Well, I'm assuming you must have at least seen "The Leap Back," because your avatar is from that episode. Is it everything after that that you still haven't seen yet?
And don't mind Greg (DeadZoneLeaper), he likes to plug his strange story ideas from time to time (then again, so do I, so I shouldn't exactly talk either). When you finally do get around to seeing the infamous 95th and final episode, "Mirror Image," you will begin to understand why this site is called "Al's Place" and why our esteemed Brian refers to himself as alsplacebartender (or as we often like to call him, the Enigmatic One). Like many of us, you will probably watch "Mirror Image" for the first time and be completely confused because everything you think you know about the show is thrown out the window. Once it ends, you'll probably think that it is the worst QL episode of all time, but then watch it again and think it's one of the best of all time. After all, if it hadn't ended the way it did, we'd probably not even be still talking about it 12 years after the fact (and there would be no need for The Virtual Seasons either). So much speculation, debate and story ideas have come about from that one episode alone.
Damon
Well, I'm assuming you must have at least seen "The Leap Back," because your avatar is from that episode. Is it everything after that that you still haven't seen yet?
And don't mind Greg (DeadZoneLeaper), he likes to plug his strange story ideas from time to time (then again, so do I, so I shouldn't exactly talk either).
When you finally do get around to seeing the infamous 95th and final episode, "Mirror Image," you will begin to understand why this site is called "Al's Place" and why our esteemed Brian refers to himself as alsplacebartender (or as we often like to call him, the Enigmatic One). Like many of us, you will probably watch "Mirror Image" for the first time and be completely confused because everything you think you know about the show is thrown out the window. Once it ends, you'll probably think that it is the worst QL episode of all time, but then watch it again and think it's one of the best of all time. After all, if it hadn't ended the way it did, we'd probably not even be still talking about it 12 years after the fact (and there would be no need for The Virtual Seasons either). So much speculation, debate and story ideas have come about from that one episode alone.Damon
Re: Mirror Image
acually no i did not see the leap back yet, i just know it becasue i was naughty and looked on here as i did with mirroe image, so i know why this is called Al's PLace. hehe. i know sorry, naughy SamBecketfan, naughty! i could not help it though, becasue when i saw the last episode of season three i got really anxious. Naughty SamBeckettfan! <img border=0 src="http://www.knightshow.com/smilies/banghead2.gif" />
<hr />
acually no i did not see the leap back yet, i just know it becasue i was naughty and looked on here as i did with mirroe image, so i know why this is called Al's PLace. hehe. i know sorry, naughy SamBecketfan, naughty! i could not help it though, becasue when i saw the last episode of season three i got really anxious. Naughty SamBeckettfan! <img border=0 src="http://www.knightshow.com/smilies/banghead2.gif" />
<hr />
Re: Mirror Image
Heh-heh, y'all are reminding me of when I discovered QL (in '94), and when I then discovered rastql in '95...and when someone mentioned the episode where Al got shot...and I was like WHAT?!?!?! :lol :
Heh-heh, y'all are reminding me of when I discovered QL (in '94), and when I then discovered rastql in '95...and when someone mentioned the episode where Al got shot...and I was like WHAT?!?!?! :lol :
Re: Mirror Image
thanks johi. at least i know i am not alone, cause my best friend sometimes jumps on me because i can not help but tell her what i find out. hehe. she doesn't always like that.
but she is here and just informed me that she does not get mad, it just ruins the surpise. hehe.
<hr />
thanks johi. at least i know i am not alone, cause my best friend sometimes jumps on me because i can not help but tell her what i find out. hehe. she doesn't always like that.
but she is here and just informed me that she does not get mad, it just ruins the surpise. hehe.
<hr />
me too
I'm VERY guilty of 'looking ahead'! Since I just discovered Quantum Leap this Christmas, I'm only subjected to the DVD's. After I finished season two, I read all of the episode guides for season three...and now since I've finished season three, it's hard not to go on to season four, but I know I will, becuase I just can't resist!
I'm VERY guilty of 'looking ahead'! Since I just discovered Quantum Leap this Christmas, I'm only subjected to the DVD's. After I finished season two, I read all of the episode guides for season three...and now since I've finished season three, it's hard not to go on to season four, but I know I will, becuase I just can't resist!
Re: me too
haha, that sounds exactly like me newleaper, almost anyway. i only looked ahead after i saw the epidsode "shock theature" becasue it made me anxious to know what happens next after you see at the end that they had switched.
<hr />
haha, that sounds exactly like me newleaper, almost anyway. i only looked ahead after i saw the epidsode "shock theature" becasue it made me anxious to know what happens next after you see at the end that they had switched.
<hr />
Re: me too
^I've known QL for more than 10 years now, but there are still some episodes in between I haven't seen yet but I know exactly what they're about
I do this with nearly every show, since they air here a lot later than in the US... but it's really nicer if you don't spoil yourself (I managed to do that with some other shows - much more exciting )
^I've known QL for more than 10 years now, but there are still some episodes in between I haven't seen yet but I know exactly what they're about
I do this with nearly every show, since they air here a lot later than in the US... but it's really nicer if you don't spoil yourself (I managed to do that with some other shows - much more exciting
)
Re: me too
lucky you, i wish i had known it longer, but i must say i have only been a fan for a few months and was able to get through seasons one through three pretty damn fast. now i can't wait for the forth season in december.
<hr />
lucky you, i wish i had known it longer, but i must say i have only been a fan for a few months and was able to get through seasons one through three pretty damn fast. now i can't wait for the forth season in december.
<hr />