Old 10-27-2007, 08:28 PM   #1
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I need to Contact Don Bellasario and/or somebody i can talk to about making Handlink Replicas. I can make them all i want and even trade for them however, in order to recieve cash for them i feel it would be best to at least ask Bellasario for permission. If there is anybody who can help please do! The Handlink has always been one of my Favorite Props!! I know alot of you feel the same so please help me Bring the Handlink into the hands of other fans!!! Even if you don't know how i can get a hold of Bellasario or the production company, then please feel free to at least give me some advice on how to create these without stirring up any legal problems. Thanks everybody!!


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Old 10-29-2007, 11:39 AM   #2
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Paramount Pictures
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Mr. Bellisario's addresses. I'm afraid I can't help you with advice, however.
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Old 10-29-2007, 12:46 PM   #3
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I believe the show is property of Universal Studios, not Don Bellisario. This is just a guess, but I doubt Universal would grant permission to make handlinks--if they did, they would want an astronomical amount of money for the right to manufacture them.

You're probably better off just keeping a low profile and selling a few of the handlinks privately.
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I believe the show is property of Universal Studios, not Don Bellisario. This is just a guess, but I doubt Universal would grant permission to make handlinks--if they did, they would want an astronomical amount of money for the right to manufacture them.

You're probably better off just keeping a low profile and selling a few of the handlinks privately.
I agree because Universal is a cold hearted company judging by the quality of the DVDs anyway since they refused to let go of a cent to pay for the good music and songs and put hardly any special features. It seems like people had a enough trouble convincing them to release the show on DVD let alone your request.

If you are that set on trying this though I suggest selling a few strictly by email to people you know. And I mean people who already have your email address and you feel you can trust; don't be giving it out and advertising what you are doing. Like Snish said you would need to keep this business on the down low.
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:43 AM   #5
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you all have a really good point... humm... well, its just sad that people can't have one if they want one. Im just gonna go on ebay and buy a bunch of quantum leap t-shirts or something and sale them for somewhere around 400 dollars... then i'll just give my replica away for free
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Old 10-31-2007, 05:00 PM   #6
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So, a $400 T-shirt with a free handlink? You're a master at making people think they have a fantastic bargain. A fool such as myself would make the T shirt look like a free product, and the time and effort $400.

I'm not putting you down, don't worry. I've gained +1 skill in trade. Be proud. You're making me into a crafty bloke.

Although I guess everyone is right. Universal do own the copyright, and would demand an arm and a leg for production.

If I were you, I'd stick with your idea, but if anyone in America is anything like anyone over here, they'd kill you for selling a T shirt at $400. What I've learned to do for anything like this, is, sell the first few at about $150 (covering the price of the shirt and handlink so people think they have a bargain), then every week, increase the price by %15 until you finally reach $400.

Apologies if the idea seems a little unrealistic.

Also, is there any chance of you putting some of the handlink replicas on Amazon.com? I'd pay for the shipping to Europe and everything.
If so, don't stick them up on Amazon yet, just in case I decide against purchasing a replica (however excellent they are, over here in England, we're being taxed to death by the Government, so I'd also think about saving my money for a time I really require it).
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Old 10-31-2007, 05:30 PM   #7
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lol true.. i could do that... its just that the 400 dollar t-shirt thing would keep me out of trouble... The idea is, as long as people arent paying me for the handlink... The handlink would have to be "free" as it appears in writing. There are plenty of people on ebay whom are doing that. I was on there a few minutes ago and theres a guy that has a listing for a "Spiderman/ Venom Action figure" for 1000.00 and if you buy the action figure, you get a "venom" Custom Costume for free!!! see, as long as the person isnt paying for the costume, then theres nothing wrong.. but we all know what were really getting.. lol
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So, a $400 T-shirt with a free handlink? You're a master at making people think they have a fantastic bargain. A fool such as myself would make the T shirt look like a free product, and the time and effort $400.

I'm not putting you down, don't worry. I've gained +1 skill in trade. Be proud. You're making me into a crafty bloke.

Although I guess everyone is right. Universal do own the copyright, and would demand an arm and a leg for production.

If I were you, I'd stick with your idea, but if anyone in America is anything like anyone over here, they'd kill you for selling a T shirt at $400. What I've learned to do for anything like this, is, sell the first few at about $150 (covering the price of the shirt and handlink so people think they have a bargain), then every week, increase the price by %15 until you finally reach $400.

Apologies if the idea seems a little unrealistic.

Also, is there any chance of you putting some of the handlink replicas on Amazon.com? I'd pay for the shipping to Europe and everything.
If so, don't stick them up on Amazon yet, just in case I decide against purchasing a replica (however excellent they are, over here in England, we're being taxed to death by the Government, so I'd also think about saving my money for a time I really require it).
OK why the heck would a t-shirt be $400? The ones around here that I buy are $25 max. What kind of t-shirt is this to be worth an arm and a leg?
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He's saying he'll list the T-shirt for $400 and throw in the handlink for free, which covers his arse, but really the $400 is going towards to cost of the handlink and the t-shirt for free.
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Thats correct NagginDragon... thank you.. lol
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Oh, I understand now but thats unreasonable for a t-shirt you need a cover up item thats much more worth that. No one will make that purchase if they think they are paying that rediculous price is for the t-shirt. Thats also a scam because its a dishonest and sleezy way of making the sale. Its also still risking being found out especially the way you have it figured out because $400 for a t-shirt is beyond unrealistic at least in America I don't know how other countrys work. I'm sorry but I would not suggest this method, I would go with my idea from my first post. Its your decision though as I am not involved in this.
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well i would buy it lol
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:08 AM   #13
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ah well, who knows... maybe i'll just throw one up on ebay soon... see what happens..
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I love handlinks. I paid a lot for the one I have. Just be careful out there. Hollywood might sue... they're kind of hard up for cash to hear them tell it .
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NeuroMason, I'm going to full heartily wish you luck on getting the copyright permission. I just when through a wait of over a month to find out a yes or no on copyright permission. It turned out in the end who I thought held the copyright no longer owned it. Easy no guess bet about who owns the copyright on the handlink prop. But you might want to do some side research just encase.

...Odd ball on this copyright bit, Universal owns part of the copyright I was asking about .
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Just Curious Systemcat but what exactly where were you sking copyright permission for?
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Just Curious Systemcat but what exactly where were you sking copyright permission for?

Posting a Buck Rogers novel on one of my sites for people to read if they wanted to.
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Posting a Buck Rogers novel on one of my sites for people to read if they wanted to.
Ah ok, Sorry you never got the approval.
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Ah ok, Sorry you never got the approval.
Don't be sorry, it's not your fault. However it is the fault of information not up to date on who owns the copyright with content posted online. I just wish that it didn't take a month for Wizards of the Coast to tell me they didn't have it any more.
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Don't be sorry, it's not your fault. However it is the fault of information not up to date on who owns the copyright with content posted online. I just wish that it didn't take a month for Wizards of the Coast to tell me they didn't have it any more.
True people need to update that kind of information or not makes guesses if that was the case.
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True people need to update that kind of information or not makes guesses if that was the case.

In more than one place I'd read Wizards of the Coast ( TSR Games ) held the copyright. The lawyer I was speaking with on the phone when this whole thing ended said they'd given up the copyright a few years back. He said at a guess the Nowlan family were probably the current copyright holders. But since he didn't know this fact for sure I can't give updated information to the Wiki Buck Rogers page.
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The US Copyright website it: http://www.copyright.gov/. It appears that they offer the option of searching for a copyright. If looking for a copyright holder, that's probably he best place to start.
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You might be able to offer it but not as a Quantum Leap handlink. It's the association with QL, Al, Ziggy, and all of that that gets one into hot water. If someone were to call this something COMPLETELY different with NO association to any intellectual property (copywrite, trademark, patent) then there is the possibility of sales.

Look at the costumes for Halloween as an example. There may be "space cadet" costumes that look earilly familiar to ST fans. BUT it will NEVER be an exact duplicate. The exact duplicate (or so close that it becomes obvious that is what you're doing) is what gets you into trouble without licensing fees. Course, that's also what a lot of fans want.

It's a tricky system to work through.
Thats a good suggestion Helen but thats near an impossible trick for the handlink because its a very unique gadget. There is really nothing he could pull off passing it off as. That is unless he designed it slightly differently and said it was a fancy calculater. But I doubt he would opt for that since he seems to want it to somehow remain a QL product to appeal to QL fans. Othereise he would not be asking for ways to get copyright permission.
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I got that. Trust me, I'm not blind to what the point is in this thread. I don't appreciate the implication that I had to have the issues explained to me.

What I was getting at is the issue with licensing. As has been stated time and time again throughout this thread...the chances of getting QL licensing privledges at a cost effective level are thin and none. This was just a suggestion of HOW it MIGHT be done.

As to it being 'unique,' well, hate to say it but those ST costumes are pretty unique as well. There's no mistaking 'what' the cheap knock offs are trying to portray. That's the whole point...getting something that looks ENOUGH like something.

It's also the reason why people who really WANT an 'authentic' usually end up making things themselves (including ST uniforms...I've seen some that are spot on...incredibly detailed.) It's pretty much impossible to purchase the things. You can always hire someone to do it, I guess, but then it's a one on one transaction and TPTB (intellectual property wise) are unlikely to mind too much about that. Unlikely being the key word.
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I got that. Trust me, I'm not blind to what the point is in this thread. I don't appreciate the implication that I had to have the issues explained to me.

What I was getting at is the issue with licensing. As has been stated time and time again throughout this thread...the chances of getting QL licensing privledges at a cost effective level are thin and none. This was just a suggestion of HOW it MIGHT be done.

As to it being 'unique,' well, hate to say it but those ST costumes are pretty unique as well. There's no mistaking 'what' the cheap knock offs are trying to portray. That's the whole point...getting something that looks ENOUGH like something.

It's also the reason why people who really WANT an 'authentic' usually end up making things themselves (including ST uniforms...I've seen some that are spot on...incredibly detailed.) It's pretty much impossible to purchase the things. You can always hire someone to do it, I guess, but then it's a one on one transaction and TPTB (intellectual property wise) are unlikely to mind too much about that. Unlikely being the key word.
Sorry you misread me; I did not intended offense. I was not at all trying to indicate that you did not know what you were talking about. I was only offering my view of the idea although I guess I must have misread you in turn. I guess I still don't understand then. So he sells the handlinks without calling them handlinks is what you are saying? If so how does that change anything? It sounds like a scam to me. Again I could still be understanding you wrong so please take none of this personally.
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