Different music? Something's wrong!

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Could someone who already has the DVD set skim through "MIA" and confirm whether or not any of the music has been changed?

A Sassies member posted the following article on the Sassies:

www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/liv...383851.htm

Here's the excerpt we're concerned about:

Selected songs remain. The big finish to the second season of Northern Exposure, for example, still showcases Etta James' At Last. And a Quantum Leap episode that has time-traveling Sam (Scott Bakula) working as a radio DJ still includes the songs that Sam actually mentions in the episode.

But in other places, each show substitutes generic-sounding tunes for the carefully selected originals, and it hurts the shows. A song shift changes the tone of a romantic moment on Leap and another ruins a joke in Exposure. Given how much fans are willing to pay for these sets, it's too bad they're not getting what they wanted.

I'm very afraid that this might be "Georgia On My Mind" in "MIA." It could be conflicting with the movie "Ray."

Someone please, please let us know what song in the second season has been replaced!

Joy
 
I can't believe it ,I've just checked and they have changed those songs! They don't play any of Georgia On My Mind or Unchained Melody in any of the parts they should be. Instead they've put just a new tune with no singing. It's rediculous. I haven't watched the episode all the way through (just checked after reading your post) but how can the last scene work without us hearing that song? Why did they do this??!! First there're no extras when the box sayd there are and now they've changed the actual episodes. Is this what they were on about before when they said the reason they couldn't bring out all the episodes on video was getting rights to some of the music? I just don't think I'll be able to watch this episode as it is on the DVD, I'll have to see my video copy every time instead, it's crazy. I wonder if there are any other changes in the other episodes. I've seen the first two so far and I didn't notice anything, I hope there's nothing more they've messed up.
 
Becoming a big issue on all DVD releases

I don't have mine yet. But I know this has become a big issue for most TV releases on DVD. No one ever imagined ahead a time that the DVD format would exist. So music rights contracts only covered broadcast use of songs. So every single song has to be cleared before it is included again. Meaning every person in the creation of a song that has a legal say has to given permission for its use. So if someone would object for whatever reason, a song can't be used - period! Of course it is also about money. The music studios ask huge licensing rights for the use of each song. It is all very complicated and frustrating! You would think they would realized that it is good promotional exposure to have these songs featured on TV series.Not to get everyone one worried about this. But it is more complicated than "Universal won't pay for the songs". They are responsible though for the lack of bonus features.... >:

Universal has its own music division and I would not be surprised if a certain percentage of songs on QL are already owned by them and were chosen in the first place for that reason. So those should not be a problem. Also unlike a lot of newer series, QL did not feature songs in the background of every single scene. I am a fan of the show "Roswell" and
the creators of the show were forced to replace most of the music for the DVDs. But QL relied much more on a composed musical score than most current shows. Hopefully with few songs to clear it will be easier to get them....


EDIT- I just read your post Dan...."Georgia On My Mind" is not there! >: >: Unbelievable!....I was very happy with the first set but this combined with no features.....
 
Who decided this...

The thing I am really wondering is who decided all this. I know for "Roswell" the creator of the show and his original musical team, the same people who pick the original songs, pick all of the replacements. There was even a letter from him in the first set explaining all of this and saying it was the only way it could be released at all. He made certain songs a priority to pay for the rights, guaranteeing they stayed the same at least. Not that he could get all of the important ones, but at least someone in the creation of the show was making the decisions.

I wonder if Don Bellisario or Deborah Pratt were involved in this process? Or was it just someone at Universal Home Video?
I bet you are right Joy that the movie Ray has something to do with this. Even though I knew music rights might be a problem, I forgot about it after the first season set. Nothing seemed to be changed on it, did it? There was even an Elvis song in the Pilot. The big name stars are usually the most expensive. I know that George Lucas did not use any Elvis songs in American Graffiti because it would have cost too much. But in the early 70's most of the studios did not see the money in music rights yet, so he was able to get all of those other Classic Rock songs for next to nothing! How things have changed...:cry
 
Oh no. :( Guess that means since "Georgia..." isn't in MIA, then it won't be in the series finale, once the season 5 set rolls around. Since that song is very important to the series, I would've hoped they delayed the set until they were able to come to an agreement.

This seriously sucks.
 
Re: Who decided this...

I shall go sulk in a corner and mourn. M.I.A. is quite simply my favorite QL episode of all time. "Unchained Melody" used there was far more emotional and effective than in GHOST.

I am so not happy with Universal, though I understand they are not 100% to blame in this change, they still take some of the rap for me.

:protest :cry :cry
 
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That's right, I bet this means that Mirror Image's scene will have to have this new music too. There's going to be a lot of disappointed Leapers. Of all the songs in the series they could have had a problem with, Georgia On My Mind has to be the most important one for them to leave alone.

What is the connection to the movie Ray? I've never even heard of the movie before, so I have no idea what the link is.
 
It's a biopic...

"Ray" is a new movie about the life of Ray Charles staring Jamie Foxx. It includes many of Ray Charles songs including "Georgia". The price for any of his songs would have been high any ways but with the film interest in his music has gone up. Ray Charles also died early this year so the legalities of who controls his music rights maybe up in the air.

I imagine any songs referred to by any of the character should be safe. This was the case with Roswell. Even though "Georgia" was mentioned in an earlier scene, Beth or Sam never said "Georgia is playing right now"....If they had it might still be there! Otherwise they would have to edit the dialog. Similarly any songs song by Scott or anyone else should be safe as well.

.:protest

I don't know what good it will do but I think we should organize some kind of campaign to complain about Universal's shoddy treatment of the show on DVD. Its like they threw this set together in a day! Season 1 did not have much but there were only 9 episodes. But at least there was something. Maybe we can have some influence before they start season 3. It does not seem like they listened to the suggestions we gave Deborah Pratt. In fact other then the interviews on the first set it does not seem like Universal has sought out any real involvement of any one from the show!
 
Re: music rights?

Yup, I think letter writing is about due.

Thank them for releasing the episodes, but reiterate the need for extras and for maintaining the integrity of the show.

QL without Georgia? :cry Have they no shame?
 
...

Dan, Sometimes the Leap-Ins in one episode were different than in the next episode that Leap is about. Music is sometimes one of the differences. Likely because they had not finished the final sound mix and music selection for the episode. But needed the scene for the Leap-In at the end of the episode before. I don't know if that was the situation with the Leap-In you saw, but that is my guess. It was always like that.
 
music rights?

Ok,the music rights idea doesn't work. I've just watched the Leap-out from Blind Faith into Good Morning, Peoria and the music that plays on the record is one of these new tunes like the added with M.I.A. But then in the actual episode Good Morning, Peoria they keep the original song. So why change one and not the other. It can't be only to do rights to the songs, unless they've made a real mess of it and not changed something that they needed to and released the wrong version!
 
This is absurd!

How in the world could Universal do this? I can understand if they needed to change some tunes in "Good Monring, Peoria". I would still be upset at that, but changing "Georgia on My Mind" in one of the most pivotal QL episodes, "M.I.A.", really angers me to the core.

I agree with what was said above. We need to get some kind of letter-writing campaign together. We should draught up some kind of general declaration and get a petition going. I'm willing to send out the notification to every QL-related group out there if/when we get something written up.

If it was a timing issue, delay the release of the DVDs. If it was a money issue, well shucks, it's not like Universal is in debt or will suffer a loss at paying the extra rights. The material for a DVD set is cheap to produce: it's all of these "rights" added to, of course, profit (which I don't blame them for) that bring up the price so much.

Who's with me? :protest

... Mike. >:
 
Re: This is absurd!

One of my friends from Loon-dom said she'd sign a petition of we do one. (I'm griping about it to her.)
 
Re: ...

You have got to be KIDDING me!!!!!! This just...

:cry :banghead :realmad :shoot :cry :cry :cry

I'm sorry, I can't even express how I really feel, otherwise, I might get banned for foul language. Let me try to calm down first...









Okay... well, this just bites big-time! I know it's just a song, but come on! "MIA" can't NOT have "Georgia On MY Mind" playing in the background with Al and Beth dancing. It was THEIR song, for crying out loud... wasn't it? That would be like showing the movie Ghost and substituting "Unchained Melody" with something inferior. Or watching the Star Wars movies without John Williams' musical score. It's NOT. THE. SAME. Period! I mean, Dean's acting was superb and nothing can ever change that, but... omitting "Georgia" from what I think most QL fans would agree was THE most important and powerful moment in Quantum Leap history... it just completely destroys the emotional impact I felt after watching that episode for the first time. Honestly, now I don't even know if I want to get the set for Christmas... THAT'S how depressed I am over this!

And what makes no sense to me is this... UNIVERSAL is the movie company that released Ray! Which tells me one of three things... either Universal REALLY (and I mean, REALLY!!!) screwed up big-time... the music company that owns the rights to "Georgia" only agreed to let Universal use the song for the movie (from what I looked up on a Ray Charles discography, the 2 major music comapnies seem to be Atlantic and Rhino)... or, Ray Charles' family is not giving permission for some stupid reason. Either way, I agree that something has to be done. This is the last straw as far as I'm concerned!

QL fans have pulled together in the past to bring the series back from the brink of cancellation... we were there to show our support for all these years that they're now pushing this new movie into production... we need to band together once again, in my opinion. Our voices HAVE to be heard, and if we have to go beyond Universal, then so be it. I personally feel we need to go one step further and demand that Universal recall and/or reissue the 1st and 2nd seasons and give us what we, as the true fans, deserve.

"MIA" without "Unchained Melody" and "Georgia" just DOES. NOT. WORK. People watching the DVDs for the first time who've never seen "MIA" in its original form won't comprehend what was so special about that moment because THEIR song is not there!

I don't know what else to say at the moment... I never imagined I'd be this upset over something like this... :cry
 
Re: This is absurd!

I agree, Universal should be told how important Georgia is to the series and how much we need it to be there. I've just watched Peoria and a lot of the songs have been cut. As posted earlier, the songs that Sam mentions are kept but the others are replaced. Avilos, the song in the Leap-out version and Leap-in version are the same, it's the Tutti Fruiti song and it's played more than once in the actual episode, so it was only in the Leap-out from Blind Faith that it was replaced, for whatever reason. I just can't believe they've released them like that, I don't really mind so much about not having extras, it would have been very nice but it's the actual episodes that are important. And these sets aren't cheap, so to have the episodes like this Universal has to be almost expecting us to complain.
 
Re: This is absurd!

They'd respond to a letter-writing(snail-mail) campaign better than online petitions/emailing. But remember, cooler heads prevail. Meaning, be nice and respectful. "wtf universal u suxx0rz" will not get anywhere with this. ;)

I'd wait for an official statement, or at least something, from Universal on the matter, though.
 
Re: This is absurd!

Absolutely. The sandwich method is best---good nice thing, criticism negative thing, good nice thing. Polite, respectful, and remembering that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
 
Re: This is absurd!

Wow, I don't know what to say!!!

What is WRONG with these people at Universal!!!

I am absolutely down to make them regret their decision to leave out Georgia, and also ANY extras WE DESERVE!!!

I'll write anything that needs to be written, and ask any of my friends to write them too!!! This is just NOT fair!!! I have pre-ordered the set, and will get it anyways, but I guess I must thank god I still have the original version of it on my computer. This is infuriating!!! >: :realmad >: :realmad :realmad

It almost makes me wish I hadn't pre-ordered it... now I can't do a thing about it!!! Grrrrrrr, those people at Universal.... If only there was a way to reach more people, like internet, or radio, or TV... We the fans DESERVE to have a minimum, and by leaving the song out, we don't EVEN get the very MINIMUM...

I will do whatever is necessary with you to make them understand what a mistake they have made by doing this to us... and the worse thing is they didn't even give ANY explanation... This is frustrating...

I hope they will understand how wrong they were... :protest

Clara
 
Re: This is absurd!

I think we should cc any letters to Don Bellisario as well. M.I.A. was his baby, too, and I wonder how he feels about it.

I'll see if I can't work up a prototype form letter or something before the week is out, if y'all would like.
 
Re: This is absurd!

It occurs to me now too...

Perhaps this was WHY the DVD set was pushed back from October in the first place. Just a thought.

And yes, Jennie, that sounds good. If you want help with it, I could try to offer my two cents as well. We have to put right this horrible wrong... somehow... :cry

Damon
 
Re: This is absurd!

Good point, Damon... who knows? I don't think we really need to dwell on that, but it is an interesting point.

Of course we need to be courtious in our letters. Flaming Universal will get us nowhere. I am willing to help out in any way possible to get the word to Universal (and Don) that this is a major error on Universal's part.

We have to band together and make sure it's an organised effort of peaceful protest.

... Mike. :realmad
 
Re: This is absurd!

Where is my axe.... This is a sin.
 
Re: This is absurd!

This is so saddening, and upsetting too. I was so looking forward to opening Season Two at Christmas. It's not fair that what was excitement now is depressing. I still look forward to having the episodes, but I'm glad I still have MIA taped, won't be taping over it anytime soon either!
If a letter campaign is started I'm totally interested in participating and showing my support.
To be honest though, I'm curious to know if anyone at Universal even realized the extent that this "mistake" is, are there no fans of the show working there??
Oh well...I'm off to bed with this depressing news!

ChaCha
 
What the HECK!

First double sisded,>:

then comes no extras! :banghead

THEN THE BIG STINKER!!!

CHANGING MIA 4EVER! :shoot

I've not been this depressed since QL was cancelled when I was at school! I'm going to my room to cry! :cry

If you do a letter campain I sign! Definatly!

What about "Catching a Fallen Star" ? that is another great music episode
 
Re: What the HECK!

I haven't got to Catch A Falling Star yet, but they've messed up with Thou Shalt Not... too, this set is a complete joke.
 
Re: What the HECK!

Well it has me thinking that I may just wait for the region 2 release this time, in the vague hope that they may have come to their senses before then.
If it is a question of fees, surely a little market research would tell them that most of us would pay that bit extra to have the right stuff (pun intended) in the episodes.

Whatever happened to the addage that the customer is always right?

I never thought I could be disappointed in anything QL, even my least favorite episodes have some redeeming features (both original and VS), but this is just an insult to true fans everywhere.
 
Re: What the HECK!

This is DEVASTATING news!!

I haven't pre-ordered the QL Season 2 DVD set yet and I'm glad that I didn't, this is for why:

Because now I can send Universal a canceled cheque for the amount and enclose a letter telling them that I'll Honor the cheque when they Honor their fans!
 
about Thou Shalt Not...

Yes, they did the same with Thou Shalt Not... At the start of the episode, the party at the beginning they take out all the songs (except the one that is sung at the party) and use their new tunes.
 
Re: about Thou Shalt Not...

I think it's too late for me to cancel but I'm never going to preorder something like this again. They've gone way behond hope this time.

Fan presure is the best I think. It worked when QL was still on the air.
 
Yet more screw-ups from Universal...

This is so enraging... they're messing with a classic (and cult [i.e. us :lol ]) television series by changing the music like this. Universal, like Tom said, has their own music division. How expensive could it possibly be? I think I would pay a little extra to have the ORIGINAL episodes on the DVDs. They're already a little too pricy to begin with: all DVDs and CDs are.

>: :realmad :banghead :shoot
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... Mike. :(
 
Re: This is absurd!

Years ago, when John Highes' 16 Candles and Breakfast Club were first released on DVD, the rights to all the rock songs lapsed out and in turn crappy filler music replaced the rock soundtrack which hurt the DVDs...Years later, the rights were regained and the movies were put back out as High School Reunion editions...surprise: the company for those DVDs was Universal
 
Re: This is absurd!

Well I am very, very upset and depressed. I had a tooth pulled on Friday and I did not think I could suffer anything else as painful for a while, but I was wrong. I was finally feeling better tonight and so I thought to myself, Emily, before you go to Al's Place you should go to Universal and order the DVD since it officially comes out tomorrow, and so I did and then came here. BIG MISTAKE on my part! :realmad I could just kick myself for not coming here first to see if anyone got their DVD's and see how they were before I went and paid $45.00 for this ludicrous and cheap set. :( I am very disappointed and must admit I too, (along with must of you), feel like crying as well! :cry

Jennie, I also offer up any help that you may need/want or can be given in drafting, proof reading, signing, ect... any petition or letter ('s) concerning our sheer disappointment and dismay over this event. I believe we must stress what Damon mentioned which was that Universal should recall at least this season two DVD set! I know we can't actually demand that our money be refunded back to us, but we need to request in the strongest and yet most polite, (that is, as polite as we can be), way possible, that given the circumstances they give it some great thought and consideration! Universal needs to understand that we paid them in good faith for originally cut and quality episodes and that we had every right to expect that that is exactly what we would be getting when we decided to make our purchase of their product. :evil I believe Universal has defrauded us the consumer and misrepresented their product by advertising the fact that they were selling originally cut and quality season two QL episodes to the public when in fact we all may as well have been buying a pirated version, because it sounds to me as though that has ended up being the kind of quality DVD that we the consumer ended up unknowingly purchasing from Universal. >: I believe it is completely deplorable on their part to do that to us and rip us off like that! I believe we should do all in our power to make sure that Universal doesn't get away with it and that nobody else buys this misrepresented product like the rest of us did! Again I will :help in any way I can and am asked. We must all come to some collective agreement as to how this matter should be handled and I believe the sooner the better.

A very hot tempered and disappointed QL fan, :protest
Emily.
 
Re: This is absurd!

I must say with some :eek: that I have not yet had time to work on the letter (I was literally falling asleep on my feet at Praise Team practice last night--I have had the craziest schedule of the last couple of weeks). However, I do plan on getting at least a rough start tonight and I want to thank you, Emily and Damon, for your offers of assistance. I will so be taking you up on that! :)
 
Folk--

I've been doing some checking (I work in the entertainment industry), and I know what Universal is doing.

I don't approve of it, but I know what they're doing.

DVD-HD is coming within the year. So they (and the other studios) are starting to roll out their TV shows asap, as cheaply as possible, so that we'll buy them AGAIN when the next version comes out.

It's not a great thing, it's not a happy thing. But it's part of why this happened.

Now, personally, I will be in the minority when I say that the 'Georgia on my Mind' song at the end of MIA bugged me to no end. I thought (even when I first saw it) that it was a terrible recording, and the weird 'echo' that happens at the end of the episode always struck me as annoying and really grating on my nerves.

So while I understand the strong sentiment that people have for that song in that episode, I don't miss it on the DVD. Just as when we get to Mirror Image, I won't miss it there, either.

SAYING there are extra things and then not having them is far worse, in my mind. As is the fact that never in my life have I seen a 2nd season have -LESS- special extras than a 1st season.

Sorry to intrude with my first post here--but thought some people might appreciate at least a somewhat partial answer. Although having commentaries that explained whether this was a Bellisario choice or some loser in the DVD authoring room would be nice.

Anyone thought about trying to contact Deborah Pratt or Donald Himself and ask -THEM- what happened? Get an official answer from someone?

UnseenPresence
 
other music

I hate to be a pessimist here, but what will this lead to? Will the scene where Sam sings John Lennon's "Imagine" be deleted from "The Leap Home?" What about the Elvis Presley episode...my God will they even include that one at all?
 
Re: other music

Just got word from a QL Yahoogroup member that "Disco Inferno" has been messed with as well, with such songs as "The Hustle" being replaced (and that was my fav. scene in that episode--Al dancing to The Hustle...).

Joy
 
Re: other music

Jennie: That's all right, I was just goofing around with ya. :b


UnseenPresence: While I highly disagree with your statement about "Georgia on My Mind" being annoying (terrible recording may be because of the technology of the day: I'm not sure if when you "first saw it" that it was the original airing or a repeat), I have been wondering what the next step after DVD will be. I haven't heard of DVD-HD before, but if it's only going to be a year, I might as well stop buying DVDs now and wait.

I agree with what you said about the extras: they said there would be some, and then didn't include them. A huge letdown.

Getting in contact with Don or Deb won't do anything except alert them of this disaster, if they don't already know. They had nothing to do with compiling the DVDs (as far as we know) and most likely strictly a Universal screw-up.


newmanduke1: Somebody mentioned "Imagine" as well... I don't think that will be a problem since it was Scott singing and not a recording of Lennon's song. As for "Memphis Melody", I think it might be the same thing.


Joy: I agree with you about that Al scene... so that's, what, four episodes that they've butchered now? Aishhhhhh... :(

... Mike. :\
 
Not necessarily.

HD-DVD will be a niche format for quite a while, and it'll only work on High-Definition televisions. I don't see everyone forking over the cash to get another television, when the analog one they have is still in working order.

Also, with a show such as this, where the masters are video(as far as I know), there won't be much of a difference at all in quality, unless they go back to the negatives of EVERY episode, which would be ridiculously expensive.
 
My 2 cents....

I did something that I don't think that I've ever done before. When Damon and I were talking last night on MSN, he asked me about what I thought about what was going on with the DVD Set of Season 2. The thing that I have never done? Well, I think that I made Damon's mouth drop open and actually stare at the MSN screen.

I think that he may have actually looked like this: :hair

You guys know how much of a Quantum Leap fan I am. You know that I usually live, breath, eat, ... etc. Quantum Leap. I'm sure that if I actually poked myself and started to bleed that it would come out in a lightning blue sparkling hue. The websites Quantum Leap: The Virtual Seasons and Quantum Retribution is just one of those things that I just enjoy doing and heck, I'm not even getting paid to do it. I just put it out there for others to enjoy. You guys know me.

How did I make Damon's jaw slack open? Basically, I'm not all that upset over the music problem.

Why you may ask? (or scream, or just fall out of your chair, faint and then get back up and ask -- why?)

Well, let me put a little background with this. First, I'm in a position in my life at the moment where things are just how they are. I mean, I'm away from my family, living in a town with some friends for the rest of this week before I can actually be with my family again. I've been going home on the weekends -- I see them for a day and a half, then I'm on the road to go back so that I can go to work. The move is a good thing for my family and I put in my resignation to the school that I am working for and told them that I'd finish out the semester. Things are hectic; things are not where they need to be; things are out of my hands.

Now... the gripe session can begin, right? Wrong.

Why aren't I upset about it? As far as I'm concerned, as long as the actual episode (the speaking parts) weren't tampered with, as long as the acting wasn't just completely cut apart, then I can't have cause to gripe. Okay, yes, I'm disappointed, as everyone should have a right to be, but I'm not going to write to Universal and gripe and b*tch and moan about something that they may or may not fix.

I've read through all the posts. Yes, in MIA, Georgia was their song. Yes, I know this. You don't have to point that out. No, I haven't actually seen the disc. I haven't even held it in my hands. I haven't heard the "generic" music that they put up. Heck, I didn't even know that the movie "Ray" was out even for that matter.

The music rights that Universal may or may not have may be the case. Heck for all we know, perhaps this is the "director's cut". Or could this be what the show would have actually been and then they dubbed in the songs, etc.? I don't know.

Did Universal take shortcuts and cost for the production? I don't know. If they did, they will pay the price. Is what Unseen Presence said true? Is it all about the DVD-HD? *shrugs* I don't work for Universal and I don't have an inside scoop with Donald Bellasario (as much as I'd like to.)

I asked a friend of mine in the advertising industry about this. He said that probably the expectation was high. They let us down. He also said that perhaps that they had the right to put it on VHS tapes, but not on DVD. (Did we have any idea that DVD would be out when they first bought the rights to the songs, etc?) There's a question for ya. I will say this much -- Universal should have put on the box somewhere -- with some kind of notice that not all the songs would be used and given a small reason why (perhaps inside the box).

He was right about one thing. The main thing here is that the Quantum Leap community's expectations were high. Possibly too high. Yes, they did a good job with the first season. They had all the bonus features and all the little things for everyone to see. They had the packaging all perfect. They did a good job on that one. Now, the second season is out and the expectation was just as high as the other. If the expectation is that high... and you are that put out with the DVD set, then by all means, send it back and ask for a refund. That in of itself would be enough of a damage, I think, that would make Universal think about re-doing the season. BUT... will they? That's the question.

I do understand how everyone is irritated, frustrated, griping, and okay.... down right angry because of it. They are taking a show that we all love and messed with it. Yes, I do understand that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you can't be angry. I'm just looking at this from every angle. I'm not going to beat my head against the wall and freak out about it. At the moment, I'm just sitting here thinking -- how will that help? Will it help if I kick the wall, put a hole in it, freak out, gripe, complain and then write a heated letter to Universtal to get them to change their mind? There would still be a hole in my wall and I would still have to get it fixed. No, it probably wouldn't help at all -- in fact, I would then have to get more money to pay to get the hole fixed.

Ok, they messed with it. Am I disappointed? Yes. Will I write a letter to Universal about it and gripe and complain? I don't know. I still need to think about that -- I'll probably buy the set and have it. If they indeed do decide to redo the season then I probably will get that one as well.

*Shrugs* I guess that I should be up in arms, but I just can't be. It's the way it is at the moment (just like my job) and I have to take life as it is handed to me and deal with it the best that I can.

So... that's my two cents. Take it as you will. I just reserve the right to have my own opinion on this subject and I know that the other Quantum Leap fans who read this may want to respond negatively or shockingly to it. Just respect my opinion. You may not like it; I just ask that you not gripe or bite at me for how I feel personally on this issue. If you do have a personal problem with it -- you may email me.

MJ
 
Re: Things to consider...

A question - By Naming the set "The COMPLETE Second Season," coupled with giving NO warning or labeling on the outside of the box that the episodes have been changed and edited, isn't this a clear example of misrepresentation and False Advertising (in the legal sense, I mean)? Something to consider when returning your item... :protest

I've been a fan of the show since the original broadcasts, and this is an extremely disappointing situation. I'm not buying Season 2 in anticipation of Universal pulling the same stunt with Season 3 (which has my favorite episode , "Private Dancer," which will no doubt be stripped of the songs in the way "Another Mother" apparently has been. :banghead

Something else annoyed fans can do - go to Amazon.com and post your complaints in the review section with 1 star - The "5 star" rating the set got was from fans who posted before the set was even released - enough low ratings will eventually pull the overall average rating down. :evil
 
Amazon ratings

Thanks for that idea, Gary. I just posted my review over on Amazon.ca, so hopefully it'll clear and warn anybody considering it to buy it to think twice.

Now, on to FutureShop.ca to do the same...

... Mike. :\
 
Music

This makes me think of the movie Almost Famous. In that movie, there was a deleted scene where the kid was pleading his case to his mother about why he should be allowed to go on tour with the band Stillwater

The deleted scene was just of the actors listening and reacting to the song Stairway to Heaven

The scene was not in the movie because Cameron Crow could not get the rights to the song. So what he did, is he included the scene in the deleted scenes section of the "Untitled" version of the DVD Almost Famous

In the scene, just before the song is supposed to play, a message comes up telling you to put your own copy of the song Stairway to Heaven in your CD player and cue it up when the tell you. This way you see the scene as it was meant to be seen.

They could have done something similar to this with the dance scene in MIA. If they had left the music out completely, we could have played our own copies of Georgia and still had the dialog.

I mean this is going way too far. If they change filler music, then so be it. But when you change a song that is so integral to the episode (And the series itself) there is something seriously wrong.

I mean if they are going to remove Georgia from MIA, why don't they just remove The Twist from Good Morning Peoria or Imagine from The Leap Home.

There are just some moments in a series that you just don't mess with, and the Dance to Georgia is one of them.

Tom
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Re: Music

Well, MJ, I certainly do respect your opinions on this matter. I'm glad that you can at least not be bothered by this. That is the more mature and responsible way to deal with this matter. But I'm still going to b**ch about it. Expectations too high? I don't think that's accurate at all. Since when have we gotten to the point where expecting to have a show preserved EXACTLY the way we remember it has became a high expectation?! Who in their right mind would naturally expect any less? It's not like we're asking for anamorphic widescreen, extensive special features, interviews with the cast and crew, original artwork, behind-the-scenes, video montages, etc. Alright well, maybe some of us are. I sure as hell would love all that. But I think the overall expectations of fans (especially the members of this board) were very humble and reasonable. All we wanted were the episodes exactly as they originally were, that's all.

This is the problem with many things in this world...over time, the standard of quality slowly drops, and people react accordingly and eventually get to the point where they've forgotten the previous level of quality. So now comes a situation where the bar is moved down lower when it used to be higher and nobody even remembers the difference. And now we're forced to glorify a lower level of quality and never realize how things should have been. A sad day for us fans indeed. Despite what others may think, the removal of these songs DOES destroy the episodes. This is not how Don Bellisario intended his series to be, and there is no doubt that he is not happy about these changes; what creator/director/artist in their right mind would be? Who wants to see their original work chopped up and edited and redone by somebody else?

I personally am not going to buy this DVD set, although I suspect that my girlfriend has already bought it for me for Christmas, in which case I will keep it because it's a gift from her. But only because of a sentimental value issue, that is if she bought it. Contrary to what you may think however, b**ching and moaning about this just might actually, in fact, make a difference. If everyone decides not to care about it and leave it as is, well then, for sure we are now being pushed around and forced to enjoy a sub-par version of our beloved series. It's now more a situation of the entire principle of the matter which is fighting for what is right rather than a case of a few unhappy fans who can't deal with the fact that music from their favorite series has been removed. Think about it. :\

** Sorry Clara I got you and MJ confused!!! My mistake :) **
 
Re: This is absurd!

I'm not impressed with Universal. My husband and I bought 3 DVD series from them (QL season 2, Battlestar Galatica and Buck Rogers) and ALL of them have atleast on DVD messed up!! We even tried playing it on Robb's computer DVD player and it did the same thing so I know it's not the DVD player. And now I hear they changed music because they are too cheap to pay for a few songs!!!! If I didn't want the series on DVD I wouldn't buy anything from them.

BTW did anyone notice that the video quality isn't that great?? It seemed REAL grainy to me.
 
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