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I am watching Genesis now and I have a question.
When Sam wakes up in Tom's bed teh second time right before remembering Katie and trying to contact his dad; the camera pans away from the house while he is still asleep.We see it move in the same traveling motion as when he first arrived there. What does that mean? Is it like him remembering what happened to him after he stepped into the accelorator or his memories of his family traveling to him maybe?
 
Ah I didn't consiter that, thats very interesting thanx.
I also consitered something else. Kind of like the situation with Katie and the Lennon song, I wonder what happened to Burger and that doctor at least ten years later when those medicines are invented since Sam was ranting about them but looked like a nut because they did not exsist yet.
 
Sam Beckett Fan said:
Ah I didn't consiter that, thats very interesting thanx.
I also consitered something else. Kind of like the situation with Katie and the Lennon song, I wonder what happened to Burger and that doctor at least ten years later when those medicines are invented since Sam was ranting about them but looked like a nut because they did not exsist yet.
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I could be wrong about the spelling but; Beta-sympathomimetic. That method of premature labor prevention was not developed until the 70s. So instead Sam Beckett MacGyvered(improvised) a way to prevent it by suggesting a 5% solution of alcohol....into Peg's bloodstream.

Direct Result: Peg received one beut of a hangover later.

History changing Result: Samantha Stratton ;)

~Steve B.
 
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RossBeckett said:
I could be wrong about the spelling but; Beta-sympathomimetic. That method of premature labor prevention was not developed until the 70s. So instead Sam Beckett MacGyvered(improvised) a way to prevent it by suggesting a 5% solution of alcohol....into Peg's bloodstream.

Direct Result: Peg received one beut of a hangover later.

History changing Result: Samantha Stratton ;)

~Steve B.
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I know that, I was asking what their reaction was when it does get invented since they heard the name from Sam before it exisited.
 
Likely, I'd bet by the time beta-sympathomimetics were being used to stop premature labor it might not have even occured to them. It's a span of almost 20 years and since neither of them were obstertric specialists, it might not have been something they kept up on. I'd be willing to be by the end of that day, they probably couldn't have named the drugs that Sam had rattled of.
 
jmoniz said:
Likely, I'd bet by the time beta-sympathomimetics were being used to stop premature labor it might not have even occured to them. It's a span of almost 20 years and since neither of them were obstertric specialists, it might not have been something they kept up on. I'd be willing to be by the end of that day, they probably couldn't have named the drugs that Sam had rattled of.
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Lol, I couldn't even repeat the name and I had just watched the ep when I made the thread. So you are probably right.
 
jmoniz said:
That would be the attempt to retrieve him that Al mentions later. When it snaps back, and Sam wakes up the second time, that's when the attempt fails.
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And the real reason for this entire dramatic effect was probably the lack of a decent special effects budget to show a normal leap. The leap you see from this episode in the saga cells was made after the fact, once the show had the budget for the leap effect.
 
QL Nut said:
And the real reason for this entire dramatic effect was probably the lack of a decent special effects budget to show a normal leap. The leap you see from this episode in the saga cells was made after the fact, once the show had the budget for the leap effect.
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Actually they probably have not thought of the blue electrical looking leap yet. Remember in season one they were still experimenting with concepts. Although you could be right too.
 
The problem with that theory, is that there IS a leap effect, going from the baseball player to the english lecturer...

I think it's there just because the series, at least at that point, is supposed to be Sam's point of view, so it makes sense that the leap would be shown from Sam's point of view as well.
 
naggindragon said:
The problem with that theory, is that there IS a leap effect, going from the baseball player to the english lecturer...

I think it's there just because the series, at least at that point, is supposed to be Sam's point of view, so it makes sense that the leap would be shown from Sam's point of view as well.
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Oh yeah huh I forgot about that. I guess since it makes no sense to show the blur effect taking him from the chamber so yeah what you said.
 
naggindragon said:
The problem with that theory, is that there IS a leap effect, going from the baseball player to the english lecturer...

I think it's there just because the series, at least at that point, is supposed to be Sam's point of view, so it makes sense that the leap would be shown from Sam's point of view as well.
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I disagree with you,because i'm pretty much sure the pilot(AKA "Genesis") was filmed long before the original air date of the episode,because DPB needed to sale it to the networks before getting a green light with this show.
so it may be possible,that in this point(filming the pilot) they didn't think about the Leap Effect,yet.
 
It may be that they hadn't given much though to the Leap Effect but I do have to agree with naggindragon that what we were getting was the leap from Sam's point of view (at least at that point in season). I'd have to rewatch the episode to be sure but when I do remember that when Al tells Sam they tried to retrieve them Sam seems to have a sort of "oh that's what that was" kind of reaction.

Another key that it's the pilot episode's interpretation of the leap is the clock that goes backwards and forward symbolizing the attempted retrieval.
 
jmoniz said:
It may be that they hadn't given much though to the Leap Effect but I do have to agree with naggindragon that what we were getting was the leap from Sam's point of view (at least at that point in season). I'd have to rewatch the episode to be sure but when I do remember that when Al tells Sam they tried to retrieve them Sam seems to have a sort of "oh that's what that was" kind of reaction.

Another key that it's the pilot episode's interpretation of the leap is the clock that goes backwards and forward symbolizing the attempted retrieval.
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As always Julia makes complete sense to me which was also helped by Naggindraggin in this case. The second time the effect is shown the clock does click forward but when the supposed attempted retrieval failed the clock then clicked back to wence it was and Sam was jerked awake like he may have felt somethinig happening to him that did not complete. Although it seems it did result in the return of some of his memories as the first thing that comes to mind is milking the cows. More specifically he said he would figure out what he seemed to have felt after he milked the cows. So he did feel something happening to him like he was being pulled for a second but then it released. Al then revieals later that the attempt had failed because he(Sam) wouldn't leap.

So it makes perfect sense.
 
How about the theory that the leap was written from Sam's point of view because they didn't have the effect budget yet?

By the time the full-blown leap effect was used wasn't until Season 2's premiere, "Honeymoon Express," which is because the show had a new budget and a full new season, I think.

On the other hand, more and more detail gets added to the leap effect throughout Season 1, starting with "The Color Of Truth." So this seems to imply that Don Bellisario might have been still deciding how he wanted it to look as the show was going on. Interesting...
 
QL Nut said:
How about the theory that the leap was written from Sam's point of view because they didn't have the effect budget yet?

By the time the full-blown leap effect was used wasn't until Season 2's premiere, "Honeymoon Express," which is because the show had a new budget and a full new season, I think.

On the other hand, more and more detail gets added to the leap effect throughout Season 1, starting with "The Color Of Truth." So this seems to imply that Don Bellisario might have been still deciding how he wanted it to look as the show was going on. Interesting...
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That and the fact that the look changed. In season one it was a simple glow around Sam's body. In season two it became the spider web effect which stuck through the rest of the series. The imaging chamber door also changed after season one. It went from opening like an actual door to sliding up like a vertical elevator door effect. Those are only two of a few things to support what I said earlier that in season one they were still developing concepts.
 
Sam Beckett Fan said:
That and the fact that the look changed. In season one it was a simple glow around Sam's body. In season two it became the spider web effect which stuck through the rest of the series. The imaging chamber door also changed after season one. It went from opening like an actual door to sliding up like a vertical elevator door effect. Those are only two of a few things to support what I said earlier that in season one they were still developing concepts.
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I know. If anyone else could comment, I'd be interested if anyone knows what the real deal was.
 
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